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Jerome Schulze he’s not that great against the pass but that’s because Chubb was hurt all year and he didn’t have a threat on the other side he’s still an elite run stuffer though

That’s a BIG REACH unless we trade down… my view is we wait until 2021 when there are going to be a great number of very good ILB’s in that Draft with Parsons Penn St & Moses Bama both being Pro Bowl potential talents & behind them at least another 4- 5 guys who may end up really shining in the NFL… 2021 is like 2020 WR draft except instead of WR’s you get ILB’s… I like the top 12 WR on my board [in progress] and would be happy to NOT get #2 & #3 on everyone else’s board [assuming CeeDee is the concensus #1 with Rugs & Jeudy consensus #2 & #3 in whatever order] as I don’t like spending high 1st round draft picks on anyone I have doubts about & I will always have doubts about the smaller WR guys regardless of their route running & speed- at the NFL level you are going to get HIT HARD by elite talent guys & even the biggest guys get injured… the smaller guys can seriously have their careers destroyed with one play… size matters in the NFL…life in the big city… also the bigger CB’s are also getting fast so a smaller guy will get blanketed as soon as they are no longer the fastest guy on the field so their shelf life is also shorter
Here is my actual WR Rankings 2020 [my Board isn’t finished so I might move some into the board & some out I would not draft Jeudy in the 1st round & would take Jefferson over Ruggs even at #15… fortunately no one else agress with me so BRONCOS might be able to trade down & still get Jefferson, Mims or Higgins!
# 1 CeeDee Lamb TRUE #1
# 2 Justin Jefferson WR LSU
# 3 Henry Ruggs [maybe at #15]
# 4 Denzel Mims WR Baylor
# 5 Tee Higgins WR Clemson
# 6 Jerry Jeudy bama Jr [NOPE]
# 7 Chase Claypool WR Notre Dame
# 8 K.J. Hamler WR Penn State
# 9 Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State
#10 Michael Pittman WR USC
#11 Bryan Edwards WR So Carolina
#12 Antonio Gandy-Golden WR Librty
After getting BEST available WR after trading down I then would revisit WR in the later rounds & see if a 4th or 5th rnd pick can get us Quez Watkins a guy I really like to try out as ST P/K Ret with Spence & a guy who can be put outside with:
Court WR#1 Outside
Fant TE
J Jefferson Slot
Watkins #2 Outside
Gordon RB- pass pro & [#5 WR read]
OR 3 TE Set:
#1 WR Court
TE: #1 Fant
TE#2 ?Vannett/Huermann/Butt/Fumigelli?
Slot [3rd TE] Jefferson
#2 WR Watkins on a go route [screen delays]
Fant &/or Jefferson can confuse & stymie DEF by staying in as blockers, setting up screen, picks, bubbles… and sometimes go or inside dig- go/slant- go from EXACT SAME 3 TE set! Really tire the Def out sometimes even have Gordon press the line & flea flicker or end around with Watkins a very speedy guy… screens & delays also kill Def in Mile High… we need to run way more screens, picks & bubbles
OR used inside with:
#1 WR Court
TE Fant
Slot Watkins
#2 Jefferson
#3 Patrick/Winfree/Hamilton
Watkins is a sneaky fast guy who can do a multitude of things inside then jet into open space when a play breaks down or other options have Dbl coverage… he would be a great piece to throw into the mix & really vex a secondary & inside if he is ever on a LB… if Lock hits him in stride throwing him open GOODBYE there is NO LB that can run with Watkins… and with the size of the other guys blocking Watkins may get to open space & house it on any play!

Thanks exactly what I’m hoping for.

Well as all my previous comments suggest I think that is a really bad move… in this draft you want to trade DOWN IF the 1st pick is a WR… here is one of my previous comments on the reasons I think that is a MUST IF WR is the 1st pick for BRONCOS:
If Okudah were to somehow fall out of the TOP 10 I would go up & get him maybe trade CARDS for #8 like Reuter (NFL.com) was suggesting but ONLY if Okudah is available [NOT for a WR] no other player is worth going up that high for that will also possibly fall out of the top 5… that would be on an order of miraculous like the Browns passing on Chubb- TWICE! LOLH
Other than that for me it’s got to be KINLAW at #15… if he is gone by #13 THEN I SAY TRADE DOWN in this Draft… think about it- if we go down & get the BEST WR available it’s going to be one of:
J Jefferson
Mims
Higgins
Can you honestly say that ANY OF THOSE THREE are NOT a guaranteed #2 WR to pair with Court
EVERY one of them on other teams will be their #1… so this is NOT a draft to trade UP for WR in… it’s a draft to TRADE DOWN if WR is the 1st RND pick
Consider Eagles Vikes & Packers ALL want WR… do you seriously doubt that any of those three would not be willing to trade 1’s with the Broncos to get the WR they covet the most… Pack leapfrogging eagles AND VIKES from 30- 15… they would def make that trade… same with the Vikes & if you let eagles know you are in talks with Pack you could start a bidding war…
Bottom line is we TRADE DOWN and get J Jefferson RND #1 [or Mims/Higgins] and then use the extra 2nd RND [min return for trade down plus other to be determined in negotiations] with our existing picks to then get BEST OT [very deep Class] BEST OC & BEST DL with #46 [EXTRA #2 RND] #77 … then we still can get BEST SLOT WR available at #83
… or BPA… now that would be a haul… don’t forget with all the draft capital we have THAT 1st Trade Down allows us to use the rest of the picks to re-position for the guy we absolutely want at any point… personally I believe the OT we get at #46 or better [EXTRA #2 RND] Joshua Jones, Ezra Cleveland, Matt Peart are ALL excellent players, the OC at [EXTRA #2 RND] or #46 Lloyd Cushenberry or Cesar Ruiz are excellent… then at #77 DL Neville Gallimore, Marlon Davidson, Justin Madubuike & then the SLOT guy #3 WR might even be:
Chase Claypool, Michael Pittman or speedy Quez Watkins…
THAT would be an awesome FIRST 5
If we trade with the eagles we may land J Jefferson… imagine THAT:
Gordon, Fant, Court, J Jefferson & Tim Patrick… ALL on the field at the SAME time!
2015 ALL OVER AGAIN… Court will NEVER see a TRIPLE team again
So for me the BEST scenario is we stay put for a crazy turn of events and then go get Okudah at #8… or Kinlaw falls to us at #15 which would also be very special… OR we TRADE DOWN and land a TOP 15 WR in any other draft with:
J Jefferson, Mimms or Higgins still on the board after the FIRST THREE of CeeDee Lamb Henry Ruggs & Jerry Jeudy are the TOP 3 off the board… 1 of which a team like the eagles vikes or pack with trade up to get at #15 IF we don’t get too greedy & just be happy with a #2 this year & maybe a 3rd/4th this year OR if Pack a #2 this year & #2 2021 plus exchange one of our 7th rndrs this year for their 5th this year since they are going all the way up to #15 from 30… I promise you at #15:
If Lamb Ruggs & Jeudy are all gone then GUARANTEED J Jefferson will be available 100%…
Because in the TOP 5: QB’s Burrow, Tagovailoa & Herbert are ALL gone
In the Top 10: OT’s Wirfs, Becton are gone as is Chase Young
In this scenario CB Okudah does NOT fall & neither does DT Kinlaw
That’s 8 of top 15 already selected now add in the TOP 3 WR: Lamb, Ruggs, Jeudy,
In addition to Kinlaw: OLB Chaisson, S Isaiah Simmons & Derrick Brown DL are all going to be selected as well
That’s 14 players right there!
NOW projected in the 1st RND are:
QB: Jordan Love
OT’s: Andrew Thomas, Jedrick Wills, Austin Jackson
RB: Jonathan Taylor
TE: Cole Kmet
DL: James Lynch & Ross Blacklock
OLB: Yetur Gross-Matos
ILB: Kenneth Murray & Patrick Queen [Combine Inj should not affect their value]
CB: C.J. Henderson, A.J. Terrell & Terrell Burgess
That’s 28 Players almost all of the 1st ROUND… now it’s not a debate in my mind who the 4th BEST WR is I think he is the BEST FIT for the BRONCOS: J Jefferson… so the question is where does he go in the 1st round slots after #14… so I think it’s a guarantee that trading down means either the team we trade with gets Jefferson at worse & either Lamb, Ruggs or Jeudy at best and they will be very happy with any of those 4 guys… for the BRONCOS we trade down & we might even still get J Jefferson… however if you wake up the day AFTER the DRAFT & your #1 WR is COURT & your #2 WR is either Denzel Mims or Tee Higgins… you are NEVER going to say your failure to win a SB was because of your #1 & #2 WR!
hence if Elway wants to kill this draft then he should TRADE DOWN and get at a min another #2 rndr then pick BA-WR with that lower 1st rnd pick: J Jefferson, Mims or Higgins
That will give us at a min TWO #2’s to select the BEST Available OT & BEST Available OC
Then with picks #77 & #83 we get the BEST DL & then the BEST SLOT WR at that juncture
That will be 5 awesome additions to the BRONCOS!
I have NOT finished my evaluation yet so essentially these ranking are from the mocks already posted by Walter; Reuter(NFL.com); CBS etc etc. I will have my top 5 players at each position rankings within a week or two well ahead of the draft & for alot of the positions it will be top 10… for OLINE it might be a top 25 that is how many good Ol players there are this draft… there may be 6- 7 QB’s, 10 WR’s, 10 OL, 7- 8 DL, 8- 9 OLB’s & 7- 8 CB’s taken in the 1st TWO ROUNDS! YIKES! that’s 51 of the total 64 selections… leaving 13 for: RB, TE, ILB & S… so very good draft for OL & WR the TWO MAIN positions of need for the BRONCOS! Elway should trade down & kill this draft!
PS I do NOT believe that Jefferson is strictly a SLOT guy… in our OFF I see him as a legit #2 that CAN be used in the slot… if we also get Quez Watkins So Miss then I see Jefferson & Watkins driving DEF nuts as they BOTH can be exchanged as Slot & outside guys at will… with Court Fant Gordon & Patrick as options to have on the field with those two rotating we would have a very challenging OFF to Defend!

I agree Kinlaw I totally disagree Murray unless we trade down & Fangio pounds the table for him I have already exhausted the WR selection issue multiple times & at this point I really think the dumbest thing we could do in this draft stocked at that position is either trade UP or stay put for WR… if Wr is the 1st pick we need to trade down… see other comments for full analysis

If Fangio is sold on Murray or Queen & both may have been injured at the combine [def Queen pulled a hammy in the 40] then a trade down will get one of them but I really will be surprised since I think AJ is better than BOTH of those guys & Davis is now an entrenched starter who will not yield absent a Devon White type talent emerging… 2020 has no such ILB talent that my limited exposure to college tape informs me of- so unless there is an under the radar guy out there we may have to wait on 2021 for Fangio to get his guy

PARSONS of Penn St is being ranked highly by 247 sports
Dylan Moses of Bama is Walter Football’s #1 ILB

PFN agrees on these as the top 2 with Moses edging Parsons… Bolton of Missouri & Suratt of NC appear near the top of Walter & PFN’s lists as well
DraftSite expects Parsons to return to school & not be available for 2021 apparently as they have Moses, Moore of Vanderbilt
& Walker of Ga as their 1 2 3…
I Like our ILB corps at the moment with AJ & Davis… having 2 really good ST b-u in the Outlaw & Joe Jones makes the OA grouping better than most teams I believe… and AJ is still getting better so he still may become a 1st Team PRO BOWL guy in time. I don’t have a problem waiting until 2021 or beyond for Fangio to get his Roquan Smith and hope we focus on what this draft has to offer since it is LOADED with the positions we really have to address: OT OC & WR…
Also note next year 2021 there are also some dudes that we could position ourselves for in a TRADE DOWN this season 2020…
Penei Sewell OT Oregon
Walker Little OT Stanford
Liam Eichenberg OT ND
Patrick Surtain II CB Bama
Caleb Farley CB Va Tech
Trevon Woodard CB TCU
Elijah Molden CB Huskies
So say we trade down from #15 with the Packers so they can leapfrog the vikes, eagles etc for the WR they covet: Lamb, Ruggs, Jeudy, J Jefferson…
We get a #1 next year in the exchange of 1’s this year… that sets us up with 2 #1’s 2021 which we can packg with another pick & go up & get Surtain a guy just as good maybe even better than Okudah or a long term OT on a 5 year option contract
we might even be able to get [Sewell or Walker] AND Eichenberg… if we set that up THIS SEASON
Then we could move on from Bolles 2021 & have JJames as transitional while Eichenberg gets up to speed!
There are a gazillion ways to trade down this year & end up with great players this year & the guys we need next season if we put a plan together NOW… if we are taking an OT next year then that frees us up for this years draft when we trade down to get BESTS WR avail hopefully J Jefferson AND Best OC by taking a #1 NEXT SEASON for the trade down and other we can then use our picks to get back up in the 2nd rnd for Cushenberry or Ruiz…
That way we get J Jefferson or Mimms/Higgins in the exchange of 1’s trade down
AND we get a #1 2021 [setting us up for an BAOT or Surtain #1 LOCKDOWN Crnr ] & other
AND we then trade other &/or existing to get back into high 2nd rnd & we take BEST OC
Then we simply take BEST Player available rest of the way focusing on a DL & maybe another WR like Watkins in the later rounds…
We get our WR & OC this season & next year our future #1 CB LOCKDOWN or maybe even TWO OT’s for the future as we will have 2 1st Rnd picks & can trade others in pckg for positioning to get guys we want!

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Jason Mr.7/11 don’t u think CeeDee ability of RAC could help more than Ruggs. I think he is more secure for a 1yr experimented QB

Sandro Ramirez we need a person to take the top off the defense. Riggs is that player plain and simple

That would be awesome but it just isn’t in the cards unless the browns are picking 1- 14!
here is my WR Rankings [still in progress]
# 1 CeeDee Lamb TRUE #1
# 2 Justin Jefferson WR LSU
[2nd BEST OA in my view- happy no one else thinks this since he may therefore be a BRONCO this year!]
# 3 Henry Ruggs [maybe at #15… I value him as a bargain if we get him after trade down because CeeDee Jefferson Mims & Higgins are all gone by #30 trade w Pack]
# 4 Denzel Mims WR Baylor
# 5 Tee Higgins WR Clemson
# 6 Jerry Jeudy bama Jr [NOPE- not gonna pick Jeudy in the 1st round ever ONLY put him here because everyone else has him as #1 or #2… I would seriously take Lamb, Jefferson, Mims, Higgins, Claypool & Hamler before Jeudy… he really is my #9 best WR this year & Ruggs truly is my #8]
# 7 Chase Claypool WR Notre Dame
# 8 K.J. Hamler WR Penn State
# 9 Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State
#10 Michael Pittman WR USC
#11 Bryan Edwards WR So Carolina
#12 Antonio Gandy-Golden WR Librty

@Sandro Ramirez Yeah it’s just fit in our offense and he brings what we need

I would rather have Kinlaw but no one should argue with you in selecting Brown at #15 OA… he is a great value there… in other drafts he is a TOP 10 guy… a very good pick… I just see too many opportunities & leverage in a trade down that can really kill this draft & maybe even set us up for next year 2021 when Fangio can finally land his Roquan Smith as well as maybe we can have 2 1st rounders & ensure 1 of them is:
Penei Sewell OT Oregon
Walker Little OT Stanford or Patrick Surtain II CB Bama
At ILB Parsons Penn St & Moses Bama are expected at this point be be the #1 & #2 ILB’s off the board in a very deep ILB draft

??? what Iowa DT is a top 15 prospect
Wirfs from Iowa is Top OT but he is gone in TOP 5 GUARANTEED

Maybe you mean Kinlaw from so car if so i agree he is a legit #15 pick but everyone else is liking him so he might be gone by #13
In fact Kinlaw & Brown may BOTH be gone by 13
QB’s Burrow Tagovailoa Herbert all expected to be gone in Top 15 picks
OL Wirfs [TOP OT proj #3 OA Pick] Becton Thomas Wills all expected to be gone in Top 15
WR’s Lamb Ruggs Jeudy [If Jeudy & Ruggs go 1st & Lamb falls to us at #15 that will be like Browns passing on Chubb….TWICE!] all expected to be gone in Top 15 picks I would take J Jefferson at #15 if we can’t find a suitable trade down partner to give us 1st Rndr next year or #2 this year plus other MINIMUM!
That’s 10 of 15 already
DL Kinlaw & Brown expected to be gone in Top 15 picks
OLB Chase Young [Top 5] & Chaisson expected to be gone in Top 15 picks
That’s 15 picks right there NOT including J Jefferson whom most call 4th best WR & I say he is the 2nd best after CeeDee Lamb
You know that Okudah CB Ohio State is a TOP 10 guy & maybe a Top 5 guy as well
Then there is still Isaiah Simmons S/LB Clemson who also will be taken in the TOP 10 & definitely will be gone by 15… so someone as Plamer stated in video is going to fall to the BRONCOS at 15… which makes it an ideal trade down pick as everyone knows they can’t get burned if their guy is gone they will still get top 10 type player in most drafts at 15 this year!
So I trade down & take whatever WR falls to me as:
Jefferson, Mims & Tee Higgins are ALL top 10 talents in any other draft and we can get one of them even if we trade Pack & go down to 30… the reason they would want to trade up is to leapfrog the VIKES & EAGLES & get the guy rogers wants… also let it be known & eagles may respond with that 1st rounder 2021 that we want!
So not only would I NOT waste #15 on Ruggs I don’t know who you are talking about with the Iowa DT selection… I think you made a typo an meant to type OT which could only mean Wirfs… if he fell to #8 & we could swing a deal with the cards I could agree with that but I think that is NEVER going to happen & in fact don’t even think Okudah will fall to 8 or Kinlaw will be there for us at 15 so I think it is a no brainer to trade down & set us up for the best draft ever in 2020 & even maybe get 2 1st rounders for 2021 in the bargain!

promises promises…what is the purpose of trading UP for a WR in a draft LOADED with WR talent & 2 of the top 3 possible BUSTS?!!?
Here are my top WR 2020:
# 1 CeeDee Lamb WR Sooners TRUE #1
# 2 Justin Jefferson WR LSU
[2nd BEST OA in my view- happy no one else thinks this since he may therefore be a BRONCO this year!]
# 3 Henry Ruggs WR Bama [maybe at #15… I value him as a bargain if we get him after trade down because CeeDee Jefferson Mims & Higgins are all gone by #30 trade w Pack]
# 4 Denzel Mims WR Baylor
# 5 Tee Higgins WR Clemson
# 6 Jerry Jeudy WR Bama Jr [NOPE- not gonna pick Jeudy in the 1st round ever ONLY put him here because everyone else has him as #1 or #2… I would seriously take Lamb, Jefferson, Mims, Higgins, Claypool & Hamler before Jeudy… he really is my #9 best WR this year & Ruggs truly is my #8]
# 7 Chase Claypool WR Notre Dame
# 8 K.J. Hamler WR Penn State
# 9 Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State
#10 Michael Pittman WR USC
#11 Bryan Edwards WR So Carolina
#12 Antonio Gandy-Golden WR Librty
Now it is fortunate that most people place Jeudy Ruggs & Lamb at the top 3 [usually in that order which is absurd!- Lamb is the ABSOLUTE BEST of those 3 WR’s & Jeudy & Ruggs might BOTH be BUSTS due to their size] because if ELWAY reads this comment & sees the wisdom in it he will recognize that a TRADE DOWN gets us:

Jefferson, Mims or Higgins… and JJ is my 2nd BEST WR this draft!
If as a #2 opposite Court we had Jefferson, Mims or Higgins would you suggest we did not have one of the top 5 WR tandems in the NFL & as a group it would be like 2013/2015 all over again
2013 DT Decker Welker TE Julius Thomas
2015 DT Sanders Latimer TE Daniels
WITH:
2020 Court Jefferson [Hamilton/Patrick/Winfree] TE Fant
Now if Mims or Higgins were selected because Jefferson was gone… seriously if we can’t win a SB with those Wr’s the problem is NOT Wr’s
DeShaun hamilton, Tim Patrick & Juwan Winfree as the #3 WR is plenty of ammo especially if we can use a 4th or 5th and also get speedy Quez Watkins!
Watkins is on absolutely NO ONES RADAR! he is not even projected for the 4th round… so we could get him easily with last 3rd or 4th maybe even a 5th which I assure you would be the steal of the draft:
Dude runs a sub 4.4 40! They officially clocked him at 4.35 however he can run a 4.31 so forget Jeudy as Watkins has higher leap & better Broad Jump… also Jeudy appears faster since he is a polished route runner… you can’t teach 4.31 speed DeShaun Hamilton & our coaches can teach route running!
I would feel way better using a 4th or 5th on Watkins than a 1st on Jeudy & there is NO WAY I would trade up in this draft for any WR
Wirfs, Okudah- I would trade up with Cards to #8 but not be happy about that considering what I could do in 2021 at BOTH these positions by trading down NOW!
Kinlaw- I would trade up to #13 BUT AGAIN i WOULD not BE HAPPY SINCE THIS IS not A DRAFT TO WASTE PICKS going up for a guy with all the talent available if you simply pick at #15 or even better TRADE DOWN! Get a 1st rndr for 2021 or a 2nd rndr this year plus other
then take BEST WR with exchanged 1st rndr = J Jefferson, Mims or Higgins & then use extra 2nd on Best OC or OT or trade back into 1st & get Best OT
it is quite possible with this strategy you still get Queen in 2nd Rnd since he sprained a hammy at the combine & may fall simply due to that injury… is Murray better than Queen… under Fangio?!!?