John Harbaugh Explains Two-Point Conversion Decision vs. Packers | Baltimore Ravens

They say the same thing every week

@Cody Rowston yup and the two points always fail

Yes i agree.
That is the difference.
It would’ve been 33-31 Ravens.

As a Ravens fan they were losing that game anyways. Who was going to Rodgers if he got a chance to win the game especially since we have a JV Secondary.

Everything changes if they kick that field goal. Including field position. They prob don’t score the TD on the next possession, or Packers score another TD. It’s not a 1 to 1.

We got a TD after we stopped them and got good field territory, that’s part of the decision of going for it.

@Yippie37 It was definitely part of a terrible decision. Could be 11-3

So true, smh.

Exactly especially with the best kicker in the NFL

We, we, we. Lol.

Exactly after the game mark had it was clear they were going to him

Smh exactly

Everyone in the world, and every alien in the universe knew we were going to Mark!

@Tshyne Yes, the story of this team–repeated failures on plays/schemes and a refusal to adapt and make changes. Their (coaches) arrogant belief in a system that is failing defies rationality.

No accountability

The first game of the season and the last three games as well

Man I hate to say this but I’m ready for a change this is ridiculous the fact that the front office an above are not saying anything when these stupid decisions are being made

Great words. Even non sport fans can understand a cut this deep with that phrase

Seriously? There is a coach discussion? I mean….seriously?
Please tell me that this was your very first game ever watching a football game, because if not….dudes….there is no coaching discussion.

With 27 players out for the game… again: 27!! players out for the game including the starting quarterback … playing against one of the best teams, maybe THE best team of the NFC, with their strength is the passing game with one of THE best WRs of the entire NFL (Devonte Adams) while playing without any cornerbacks the goddamn fucking normal result is 40:3. Just accept that. You cant win any game against one of THE best teams with your fucking practice squat. Just accept that.

Still, the game was close. There was some kind of tension at the end of the game. Even in the last minute there was a chance to win this game.
THAT is great coaching.
So please show big respect for Coach Harbaugh and the coaching staff to make all that possible. That game was amazing coaching. Of course, there is a loss, that’s a fact for sure. But this game gave so much more. Believe in yourselves. Never give up. Stay calm in tough situations. This game can be a game changer for the future.

#BigTruss #RavensNation

He and Gettleman need Da Boot

@Ry 2-8 on 2 point conversation attempts. He’s costing them games now.

Should of took the 3 points and tie the game up for overtime period.

John Harbaugh is nothing but a 59 year old wannabe 😂

@Njgrahamma93 it would’ve been reckless even if they converted. There is too much F’n variance. Flipping a coin for the game is r-worded

@king shark It’s not that Tucker misses. It’s that even when he hits, it’s only 3 points. CAR/LAS/ATL went 40-for-41 on 20-29 yard FGAs last year. They all “took the points.” The all missed the playoffs.

@TheFootballMathGuy … you talking teams that arent winning anywho. U telling me leaving 3 on the table, and then missing a 4th down inside your own 30, and gifting a team 3 pts, is good football math… lol today everyone trying they best to defend a coach, that could have been 10-4 , is now 8-6 looking up in the division now, vs having the lead.

But do tell me anything

@king shark I’m not defending him. He should have used the 2 down 8, not down 1, it’s a lot more valuable down 8. I just explained why in a video I posted. — But Cinci “took the points” 5 times against SF: 3 FGS and 2 PATs. And they lost. “Taking the points” doesn’t just mean automatic wins.

@TheFootballMathGuy …. I get you in a sense, but the psychological aspect of points is important. The game is risk/reward, but as troy aikman says the analytics dont have the spirit and momentum of the game in play.

Now, look what happened to the Bengals yesterday, taking every lil point, in fgs… then finally a game broke out, and those bank up points helped them prevail vs Denver.

@king shark Boykin is terrible, what do you mean we aren’t using him right? he’s barely on the field and when he does he has stone hands. If he was so great then why did every team pass on him through 2 rounds of the draft?
And Patrick Queen was drafted to be a MLB, not a will LB, he’s lucky he wasn’t traded, benched or just cut outright.

Or
“Bill, my little dream demon”

He tells me when to make the worst choices 😈

He’s actually been doing this since he got here. I’ve been screaming for his head on a stick since 2010. The reason he is still around, is because he has always had a ton of talent on his teams. Starting in 2007, if we had hired a competent head coach, we probably would have gone to at least 3 Superbowls, and we would have won at least 2 of them.

@Ry Ravens have a very talented receiving core cmon now. And the way Huntleys played, a hidden gem in a back up QB and already talented LJ.

@G.F. Hanks That’s a bunch of marlarkey, Harbaugh inherited a mess. The way Ravens fans perceive things before 2008 is close to mythological. We weren’t the glorious team before 2008 that our fans think we were. Let me give a heavy dose of reality. The Ravens were 7 years removed their lone superbowl title when Harbaugh came in, and a big reason why we didn’t win another Superbowl is because Ozzie could never figure out the WR or QB position in the draft until Flacco (a painfully inconsistent QB) and then Jackson (who some aren’t sold on giving a long-term deal yet). We went 5-11 in 2007 and the team was totally undisciplined on both sides of the ball.

The first 12 years of the Ravens franchise history they had a combined 4 playoff appearances, 2 division titles, only 5 playoff wins, only 4 winning seasons and one superbowl. Harbaugh in his first 5 years alone as head coach took us to the playoffs more times, won more playoff games, had more winning seasons, and won the same number of division titles and superbowls than the entire previous 12 year history of our franchise.
But yes it was all Ozzie and Ray right? How come Ray Lewis never went to the playoffs more than 2 years in a row before Harbaugh?

If we simply take Aaron Rodgers when he miraculously fell all the way to the Ravens in 2005 we may have had a dynasty and Billick probably doesn’t even lose his job as early as he did. We didn’t take Rodgers even though we already saw two years Boller, who sucked and was injury prone. After Billick was scapegoated for Ozzie missing great QB after great QB, Harbaugh was brought in to restore hope. Did he have Aaron Rodgers at his disposal? No, he had the painfully inconsistent Joe Flacco, who was never an All-Pro or Pro-Bowler.

And don’t tell me when Harbaugh took over they were two years removed from 13-3 because Ogden, Jamal Lewis, and McNair had all retired at that point and Todd Heap and Mason were older, along with all of our defensive players. We needed to rebuild and reestablish order and discipline. Bringing in Harbaugh turned a possible rebuild with a mediocre rookie QB into a reload and an immediate 6 win turnaround in the regular season and an AFC Championship appearance (one drive away from being the first team to appear in a Superbowl with a rookie QB).

It amazes me how Harbaugh haters are able to spin all the good things he’s done and give all the credit to others, while pinning all the blame on Harbaugh despite where the Ravens were as a franchise before he took over.

If you can’t get 2 points to win you don’t deserve to win. Thstsvmy stance.

@Robert Breckenridge Jr. If 2 points was highly converted everyone would jus go for 2 lol

They had all the momentum. Offense was hot, defense had just gotten a crucial stop on GB. Most coaches prob trust their guys to finish in a possible OT

@John Batts I would agree. But my point is In context, that the ravens have won quite a few games in OT this season because they can’t get it together in regulation. That’s should be the case. You should come ready to okay ball and handle your business in regulation if you want to win. And from the context, if you can’t get it done in regulation then you don’t deserve to win.

@John Batts It doesn’t even need to be “highly converted.” 40% is enough if it’s used correctly. Use it on the 2nd-to-last score instead of the last. Just posted a video showing that.

It’s like he wants to get fired.
I wouldn’t mind.

It’s obvious he doesn’t have it anymore.

You’re right. Coaches refuse to adapt and call the same play they’ve seen fail twice before. This has been the story for this season, but just part of the story. There are so many horrors with these keystone cops of coaching.

The call was right but the play was horrible.

The key is actually not to go to the obvious option!! Andrew was eating them up all game, of course they’re gonna give him extra attention!! Or call a better play!

@The Last Crusade exactly , on both close games too

They werent gonna make it to OT. Rodgers would’ve picked apart ravens d in 40 seconds.

Leaving 42seconds was a mistake. And not going for 2 down 8 was a mistake. Those should be talked about just as much.

As a Vikings fan and 2nd favorite team being the Ravens; 40 seconds and a timeout I think? Either way Rodgers would’ve been intercepted (unlikely) or gotten a field goal. Going for 2 was the only option imo.

coming from a packers fan i agree

Get the 2 after getting to 23, then win it with Tucker at the end.

Right

You are right about that

When they ran a 4th down play to beat KC with a kneel down were you advocating the same thing? Punt and let your defense win?

@TheFootballMathGuy how is taking a knee with the game won the same thing here?

@Sol MD Not the knee, the 4th down play that led to the knee. If you dislike the 2-pt attempts, why don’t you dislike the 4th downs he’s run? You just don’t like the plays that fail. And you’re silent on the plays that work.

@TheFootballMathGuy I didn’t say I liked the 4th down call against the Chiefs. Yes it was successful but also one of those spots where analytics came into play and if it failed, would have been scrutinized heavily.

But, again, at least in the chiefs game we had the lead. In this situation we did not and with the game on the line, I believe this was the wrong decision. Especially considering losing 2 weeks straight at that point and with similar calls coming into play in previous weeks.

They will win last games for Playoff 🙂

I don’t expect the Ravens coaching staff to get intelligent, call great games on defense and offense, and not lose the game despite the Ravens Players valiant efforts.

Lol it’s not a matter of that, it’s just execution.

@Legend I was being sarcastic.