Senior Writer/Editor Scott Smith and Team Reporter Casey Phillips discuss topics leading up to the 2022 NFL Draft.
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No ? Trade down – at least 15 or 20 Positions …. And take a 2nd 3rd and 4th rounder ……. Or maybe 2nd 3rd and 5th ……. Take a CB and Dliner in the 2nd round, TE and OG in the 3rd and then a RB WR or whatelse
No
No
God no. If you want a ring after Brady sure. This year? Yea no
1. Bill Belichick is 71-79 (47.3%) in the regular season as a head coach without Tom Brady and 219-64 (77.4%) with Tom Brady
2. Bill Belichick is 1-2 (33.3%) in the playoffs as a head coach without Tom Brady and is 30-11(73.2%) in the playoffs with Tom Brady
3. Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Bledsoe, Matt Cassell, Jimmy Garroppolo, and Cam Newton have a *COMBINED* 11 Pro Bowl selections, 16 playoff appearances, 6 conference championship game appearances, and 3 Super Bowl appearances with 8 different head coaches in their careers. Those same 6 quarterbacks have made a *TOTAL* of 0 Pro Bowls, 1 playoff appearance, and 0 conference championship game appearances with Belichick as their head coach
4. Belichick has 9 full seasons as a head coach without Brady under his belt. In those 9 seasons without Brady, he has failed to make the playoffs 7 times with 6 losing seasons
5. Belichick was fired from the Cleveland Browns prior to the 1996 NFL season. The Browns were then promptly relocated to Baltimore where they won a Super Bowl in the 2000 season
6. Belichick was hired as the Browns head coach prior to the 1991 NFL season. The Browns played in the AFC Championship game in 1986, 1987, and 1989
7. Belichick is 35-35 (50.0%) as head coach of the Patriots without Tom Brady. He saw an *IMMEDIATE* 6 win increase and Super Bowl win as soon as Brady became starter in 2001 and saw an *IMMEDIATE* 5 win dropoff and playoff miss when Brady missed an entire season in 2008. Then he saw another *IMMEDIATE* 5 win dropoff once Tom Brady left for the Buccaneers in 2020
8. The 2008 Patriots scored 179 fewer points (11.2 PPG) than their 2007 counterparts and Matt Cassell threw for 1,113 fewer yards, 29 fewer touchdowns, 4 more interceptions, and had a 27.8 decrease in passer rating from Tom Brady in 2007 with the only subtractions from the team being Asante Samuel and Tom Brady. The 2008 Patriots also had the 5th easiest SOS and were 2-4 against playoff teams while still missing the playoffs. The 2007 Patriots had the 8th hardest SOS while being 6-0 against playoff teams in the regular season
9. Drew Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl with 3 different head coaches, but couldn’t with Belichick. Drew Bledsoe also threw for 3,691 yards in 18 games with Belichick, but the moment he goes to Buffalo, he throws for 4,354 yards while posting a better record (being a win away from making the playoffs) and making the Pro Bowl
10. Pete Carroll took the Patriots under Drew Bledsoe to the playoffs twice while Belichick could not do it in his season with Bledsoe. In his 3 seasons as the Patriots head coach, Pete Carroll went 27-21 with 2 playoff appearances and 0 losing seasons
11. In his 6 years as a head coach before 2001, Bill Belichick had never had a top 10 ranked scoring offense. The Patriots offense ranked 25th in 2000 with Drew Bledsoe at quarterback. In 2001, Tom Brady’s first year as a starter, the Patriots ranked 6th in scoring offense
12. Drew Bledsoe has had 10 career 40+ point games in his career, with 3 different teams and 3 different head coaches. His highest point total under Bill Belichick was 30 points which was achieved just once in 18 games
13. Drew Bledsoe’s worst career record of 5-11 was achieved with Bill Belichick as head coach. Bledsoe has produced a better record with every other head coach and team he’s ever played for, including the Buffalo Bills
14. Vinny Testaverde’s best season under Bill Belichick was in 1995 when he threw for 2,887 yards and 17 touchdowns. The very next season Bill Belichick was fired and Testaverde threw for 4,177 yards and 33 touchdowns while making the Pro Bowl under interim head coach Ted Marchibroda. Testaverde now sits at #15 all time in passing yards and #16 all time in passing touchdowns. He has 7 seasons that are better than his best season with Belichick
15. The Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis from 2000-2004, produced 3 top 10 scoring offenses in 4 seasons with Brady as his starting quarterback. Without Brady, he has only produced 1 top 10 scoring offense in 5 seasons
16. Josh McDaniels who was the Patriots offensive coordinator from 2006-2008, and then from 2012-2021, has had a top 10 scoring offense every single year Brady has been his starting quarterback. McDaniels left to become the head coach of the Denver Broncos from 2009-2010. In those two seasons, his scoring offense ranked 20th and 19th respectively. McDaniels was then fired and became the offensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams in 2011 where his scoring offense ranked 32nd among teams
17. Bill O’Brien became the Patriots offensive coordinator in 2011 where he had the #3 scoring offense in the league. He then went on to be the head coach of the Houston Texans, where, in 6 seasons with the team, he never produced 1 top 10 scoring offense, even with players like Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins
18. Before Tom Brady, Bill Belichick had never coached a team with either 4,000 passing yards or 30 passing touchdowns in a season. In fact, he didn’t do it when Tom Brady missed an entire season in 2008 or in 2020 after Brady left via free agent one year following Tom Brady throwing for over 4,000 yards at 42 years old
19. Bill Belichick fully expected to be fired in the 2001 season before the Drew Bledsoe injury. According to Charlie Weis, Belichick called him on the phone and told him to put his house up for sale because he didn’t think they were going to last too much longer. According to a Jets coach, in week 2 Belichick and Charlie Weis were talking to them before the game and were saying “We’re going to get fired”. The Jets coach then detailed how Belichick told them how they didn’t want Bledsoe, but he was a big locker room presence
20. Bill Belichick had 3 quarterbacks to start under him that were drafted 1st overall in their respective drafts. Bill Belichick has gone 16-15 with Vinny Testaverde (drafted 1st overall in 1987 NFL draft), 5-13 with Drew Bledsoe (drafted 1st overall in 1993 NFL draft), and 7-8 with Cam Newton (drafted 1st overall in 2011 NFL draft) for a COMBINED record of 28 -36 (43.8%) with 1st overall draft picks at quarterback
21. Bill Belichick has gone 14-21 (40.0%) with quarterbacks that have gone on to make the Super Bowl with another head coach. Bill Belichick has gone 5-13 with Drew Bledsoe who made the Super Bowl in 1996 with Bill Parcels as head coach, 2-0 with Jimmy Garroppolo who made the Super Bowl in 2019 with Kyle Shanahan as head coach, and 7-8 with Cam Newton, who made the Super Bowl in 2015 with Ron Rivera as head coach.
22. In 2016, when Tom Brady missed 4 games due to suspension, the Patriots went 3-1 with Jimmy Garroppolo and then Jacoby Brissett at quarterbacks. In those 4 games, the Patriots played 2 games against teams who finished the season with losing records, 3 games at home, and they were shut out 16-0 to a Buffalo Bills team at home whom Brady put up 41 points against 4 weeks later on the road. The best team the Patriots played in those 4 games were the Houston Texans, who had 16 touchdowns to 17 interceptions on the season and had the same number of fumbles lost as rushing touchdowns. Jacoby Brissett threw a grand total of 0 touchdown passes in 10 quarters played during that 4 game stretch
23. Art Modell is 305-253-8 (54.7%), with 18 playoff appearances, 8 conference championship game appearances, a NFL championship (1964), and a Super Bowl championship (2000) as a NFL owner in games Bill Belichick was not his head coach. In games Bill Belichick was his head coach, Art Modell is 36-44 (45.0%) with 1 playoff appearance and 0 conference championship game appearances
24. Robert Kraft was 54-42 (56.3%), with 4 playoff appearances, 1 conference championship game appearance, and 1 Super Bowl appearance in 6 seasons as a NFL owner from 1994-1999 (bought the team in 1994) without Bill Belichick as his head coach. Robert Kraft is 35-35 (50.0%) with 1 playoff appearance in 4 FULL seasons with a Bradyless Bill Belichick as his head coach
25. In 18 seasons with Tom Brady as his starting quarterback, Bill Belichick won his division 17 times. In 9 seasons without Tom Brady as his starting quarterback, Bill Belichick won his division 0 times
@Guy New Bill Belichick is 219-64, winning his division 17 of 18 times when Tom Brady started the games and is 71-79 while winning his division 0 of 9 times when Tom Brady did not start the games. That is INDEFENSIBLE.
@Lo Bello hes ignorant for saying its a team sport? Remind me, did Manning win his last Superbowl, or was it the team? That HoF Qb was absolute garbage that year. And they won. Thats team sports. The team, coaches included.. made Manning look better. Should we expand this to other HoF QBs? Sure.. Brees and Payton? Tomlin and Roethlisberger? Mcvay and Goff.. err Stafford. Do we give full credit to the QB, or the coach? I’d say a combination of both are required for success. BAs full quote is “i get credit, Brady gets too much credit”… because BA will be the first to say that he didn’t do sh!t as a HC. He relied on the players and staff around him, finding success by giving the influence to the people who have the greatest chance to succeed. Byron deserves more credit than he is given. You, and the other Brady nutt gobler, are stuck in the Belichick v Brady debate. Bucs aren’t the Patriots. Bruce is pretty much the polar opposite of Belichick… you, and the media, are fixated on coach vs player, and who deserves more credit! Sit down son, listen… players deserve credit, coaches deserve credit. Without coaches, players fail… without players, coaches fail.. when you have great coaches, and great players, thats a dynasty.
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@James Bond Nice opinion, bud, but I don’t care about opinion. I only recite the facts. Argue with yourself.
Trade up or stay put. We want a DT with our first pick.
Jones and Mathis mostly available in the 2nd round so trade back and get some picks seems better
They should trade up. Tom’s last year.
Exactly
Bucs need to go all out
Trade up
Do everything you can to help the team because foster this year who knows when we will have a qb that can take up to the superbowl
Bucs position in the draft is not crazy good. So hard to see another team wanting to get that position. The old bucs would do stuff like that. You just take your chances . Even on the first 5 picks.
Look to see what the Hawkeyes have. Coming out for lines men to help Brady unless you already have a replacement for the guard you lost to free agency
Well they officially wasted a draft pick last year on Kyle Trask instead of getting reinforcements for Brady. It’s win now, not later!
@David Lairson Um… Firstly, Denver would never trade down for only that much. They would need to offer up at least two first round picks to trade up that much. And standing where they were they could’ve easily drafted someone like Assante Samuel Jr who fell to the second round. And keep in mind that they had absolutely no idea that their secondary was going to get injured like it did, they still have some quality players at that position. I personally didn’t like the Joe Tryon-Shoyinka pick, I think there were better players available at his position. But I still wouldn’t call that a waste, JPP is still a free agent and Lavonte David is getting up there in age. I don’t think you actually know who the Buccaneers drafted given that your calling the whole thing a waste so here you go. R1: Joe Tryon-Shoyinka, R2: Kyle Trask, R3: Robert Hainsey, R4: Jaelon Darden, R5: KJ Britt, R7(1): Chris Wilcox, R7(2): Grant Stuard. I wouldn’t call any of those wastes many of those positions are aging on their roster and all of those players could develop into quality starters.
@Dylan Green LOL first off who do you think Denver used for there first round pick? Samuel JR. ( Who either was defensive rookie of year or he was at least in the running) not to mention who in that draft class started besides Darden (as a returner who flopped badly) or is supposed to start this year. Or really looks like they have a ligit chance at getting some major playing time. Hainsey was there third round draft pick. Why to be a backup? In he’s rookie season and second season. Trask was there second round draft pick. So he could go to the practice squad and be a third string quarterback at best this season. Joe Tryon is there only hope to salvaging the whole entire draft. & A entire draft to move up in a draft is valued as more than enough to move up. Even that far check draft capital to see if what I am saying isn’t true.
@David Lairson You seem to think every rookie in the second round and back is supposed to immediately be a superstar, which isn’t true. There have been many picks in the later rounds that are supposed to sit for a year. Even a lot of first rounders sit for most of their first year, just look at Trey Lance and Lamar Jackson. Also I don’t think you know anything about the NFL at all given that you think Surtain may have been defensive rookie of the year. Micah Parsons took it away and it wasn’t even close, I agree that Surtain was very good, but the Buccaneers can’t waste all that draft capital. Also, you seem to think that if the Buccaneers had traded away every pick they had they could’ve gotten the Broncos pick. But that is nowhere close to true. They would need to have sent at least their 2022 first rounder as well. And again, they need these picks.
@Dylan Green LOL You haven’t looked up draft value have you? It is very rare a team trades a entire draft to move up in the first round. Why draft value & it has happened so few of times a Superbowl team almost brings back the entire roster the next season. & Sorry I forgot about Parsons but to my defense I said or considered which I’m sure he had some. & To be so blind to think Trask will get any playing time. Or that drafting another Gaurd early isn’t being considered this year why. They used a third round draft pick last year on a Gaurd. That kind of shows how much they value that pick doesn’t it. & You can’t tell me Darden isn’t on a short leash this year. So you keep thinking they had a average or above draft last season. It’s you’re opinion
@David Lairson I’m pretty sure your the one that has no idea about draft value. A first round pick is worth way more than all the other picks in the draft combined. I don’t think Kyle Trask will get very much playing time, since Tom Brady. But if Tom Brady had actually retired you would have Kyle Trask competing for a starting QB job. Also I never said that their draft was average, but they did a good job adressing needs. And again no one is expecting later round draft picks to immediately become superstars. They always need time to develop and move their way up the roster.
If they could get another 2nd for a 3rd/5th that would be a good deal and possibly get a 2nd/3rd for their first rounder
Trade up OL DL WR only. No generational talent in the draft. I’d say no, trade down unless we can get a good deal with philly. If davis is there with there second first for next years 1st and next years 3rd
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Need to get up to 20 to get Wyatt
We need DT not edge rusher
TB12 is playing 3 more seasons including this one ~ There is no question ~ Go Bucs !
Trade down 5 to 10 picks and get an extra early 3rd round pick. Then you have 4 picks in the range of 33 to 100.
Get a DL, Safety , RB and IOL.
Woohoo!!
We shouldn’t sign Suh,Jason Pierre Paul nor Gronkowski!!!!!!!
I don’t think GM bright enough to trade up. I can see him trading down and getting player for after Tom retires when the team goes back to being suckaneers.
Bright enough to get us a super bowl ya clown
Tbh trade him if wants to be traded he got us a ring I’ll take a 1st round pick tho and yes Ik he the goat
That’s why your not a gm, you trade Brady, the bucs odds of winning the sb will go from 7-1 to 30-1, that’s how much importance a qb makes to a team.
@Jon Mcclain he leaves next year anyways then what u got nothing
Package 1 & 2 to move up to get that DL from Georgia